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		<title>By: Carrie Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 05:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Zarwen!</description>
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		<title>By: Zarwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zarwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 05:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

FWIW, a number of us have been writing to the school board to ask the vote be delayed.  They have announced that they will delay it one week, but that is not what we meant--or at least, not what I meant.  I want it delayed until there is a full accounting of what any and all changes are meant to accomplish, and no more last-minute ideas pulled out of anyone&#039;s ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>FWIW, a number of us have been writing to the school board to ask the vote be delayed.  They have announced that they will delay it one week, but that is not what we meant&#8211;or at least, not what I meant.  I want it delayed until there is a full accounting of what any and all changes are meant to accomplish, and no more last-minute ideas pulled out of anyone&#8217;s ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Buel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD, I&#039;m just making observations. I don&#039;t have a dog in this fight; I just know poor kids have been screwed for the last 20 years and almost no one in any of the &quot;have &quot; schools have done anything but suggest I and others with similar opinions are way off base. Or they try to justify their actions, usually by saying how they really do care, but then they support the harmful actions and people espousing those actions. Been doing it for years. Been justifying or ignoring  for years. You might be different --  great, are you working with the Grant people to let the school board members know that the whole process stinks and they need to go back to the drawing board and that focus schools or anything less than full equity for all is not acceptable and you sure as hell won&#039;t vote for, nor support any school board member that votes for anything less than equity for all children? Get a letter written up and signed by all the Grant leaders and send it off to the school board and send me a copy. Then you win the argument and I will know I am being overly cynical. But if you can&#039;t do that or if you say that I am just off base again, then never mind suggesting that really the motives of the Grant leaders are really in it for everyone. P.S. I don&#039;t think they are bad people for being in it for their own school, just don&#039;t try to suggest they truly care about the poor kids in the other parts of the city. They don&#039;t. At least not to the extent they will go to bat for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD, I&#8217;m just making observations. I don&#8217;t have a dog in this fight; I just know poor kids have been screwed for the last 20 years and almost no one in any of the &#8220;have &#8221; schools have done anything but suggest I and others with similar opinions are way off base. Or they try to justify their actions, usually by saying how they really do care, but then they support the harmful actions and people espousing those actions. Been doing it for years. Been justifying or ignoring  for years. You might be different &#8212;  great, are you working with the Grant people to let the school board members know that the whole process stinks and they need to go back to the drawing board and that focus schools or anything less than full equity for all is not acceptable and you sure as hell won&#8217;t vote for, nor support any school board member that votes for anything less than equity for all children? Get a letter written up and signed by all the Grant leaders and send it off to the school board and send me a copy. Then you win the argument and I will know I am being overly cynical. But if you can&#8217;t do that or if you say that I am just off base again, then never mind suggesting that really the motives of the Grant leaders are really in it for everyone. P.S. I don&#8217;t think they are bad people for being in it for their own school, just don&#8217;t try to suggest they truly care about the poor kids in the other parts of the city. They don&#8217;t. At least not to the extent they will go to bat for them.</p>
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		<title>By: wherewilltheygo?</title>
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		<dc:creator>wherewilltheygo?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree that the CTG parent/group totally had one thing in mind...keeping GRANT as is.  They have completely disappeared once they felt that their school was safe from any big cuts/changes.  
I wonder if we will see them light the fire again when the boundaries are redrawn for the feeder schools to Grant.  After all, aren&#039;t some of the households that feed into Alameda/Laurelhurst much closer to Madison than some of the households that are in N.E., such as Faubion/Vernon?  Only seems fair that if their neighborhood school (Jefferson) is closed that those families shouldn&#039;t have to drive or ride the bus past Grant on their way to Madison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree that the CTG parent/group totally had one thing in mind&#8230;keeping GRANT as is.  They have completely disappeared once they felt that their school was safe from any big cuts/changes.<br />
I wonder if we will see them light the fire again when the boundaries are redrawn for the feeder schools to Grant.  After all, aren&#8217;t some of the households that feed into Alameda/Laurelhurst much closer to Madison than some of the households that are in N.E., such as Faubion/Vernon?  Only seems fair that if their neighborhood school (Jefferson) is closed that those families shouldn&#8217;t have to drive or ride the bus past Grant on their way to Madison.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, you are way off base. You have many good points about a lot of things and I agree with much of what you say. But I think we will need to agree to disagree with the motives of the CTG people.  It&#039;s too bad we have become so cynical (understandably so) that we reject a helping hand when it is offered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you are way off base. You have many good points about a lot of things and I agree with much of what you say. But I think we will need to agree to disagree with the motives of the CTG people.  It&#8217;s too bad we have become so cynical (understandably so) that we reject a helping hand when it is offered.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Buel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD, one of the things about the Marshall community which has created a good deal of the lack of support from PPS  has been the lack of community support. It is not made up of people who are  comfortable, experienced, nor have large amounts of time or money to participate in the p0litical processes in school politics. That is pretty much a given (I worked there for 10years so I speak from a good deal of real-world experience). I am not excusing them, but the question then becomes why should children suffer because their parents don&#039;t live in a wealthier neighborhood? Public education is just that, public education. Without good, solid education in a community such as Marshall then we condemn those children to a much more difficult and less productive life. And we condemn us all, yes, us all, to a worse city and to the social and fiscal  problems which grow from ignorance and poverty. 

So my problem with the gap people was they ran with the idea they were against all school closures and recruited everyone else to join them with the premise, and dare I say promise, that they would work against ALL  school closures. Then, when Grant was no longer on the choppinig block they folded. Hypocritical at best, outright deception at worst. You suggest the reason they basically folded was the school board came out and voted to close some schools. Yet, if Grant had been one of the schools the school board had on their supposed final list you don&#039;t think the gap people would not be fighting like crazy for overturning the decision? Of course, and they would make Jeff&#039;s recent efforts look like nothing. 

Now, all things being equal, I don&#039;t have a problem with the gap people using any old strategy they want to protect their neighborhood school. Heck, it was a good strategy and it worked for them. But the problem is this: Grant people have worked for years politically to make sure Grant students have real educational opportunities and they have done this at the expense of thousands of poor kids. Not by putting those schools down or doing anything mean or purposeful, but by supporting people on the school board and organizations which don&#039;t have any interest in poor kids, just their political constituents and  supporters of which Grant is very capable of being. (Well, not really &quot;no interest&quot; just not enough interest to correct the problems and risk their political careers and constituencies by by doing so.)  And in that way those Grant school activists have harmed those schools and the city. So it is easy to see why people who have been fighting this problem for years might be a little cynical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD, one of the things about the Marshall community which has created a good deal of the lack of support from PPS  has been the lack of community support. It is not made up of people who are  comfortable, experienced, nor have large amounts of time or money to participate in the p0litical processes in school politics. That is pretty much a given (I worked there for 10years so I speak from a good deal of real-world experience). I am not excusing them, but the question then becomes why should children suffer because their parents don&#8217;t live in a wealthier neighborhood? Public education is just that, public education. Without good, solid education in a community such as Marshall then we condemn those children to a much more difficult and less productive life. And we condemn us all, yes, us all, to a worse city and to the social and fiscal  problems which grow from ignorance and poverty. </p>
<p>So my problem with the gap people was they ran with the idea they were against all school closures and recruited everyone else to join them with the premise, and dare I say promise, that they would work against ALL  school closures. Then, when Grant was no longer on the choppinig block they folded. Hypocritical at best, outright deception at worst. You suggest the reason they basically folded was the school board came out and voted to close some schools. Yet, if Grant had been one of the schools the school board had on their supposed final list you don&#8217;t think the gap people would not be fighting like crazy for overturning the decision? Of course, and they would make Jeff&#8217;s recent efforts look like nothing. </p>
<p>Now, all things being equal, I don&#8217;t have a problem with the gap people using any old strategy they want to protect their neighborhood school. Heck, it was a good strategy and it worked for them. But the problem is this: Grant people have worked for years politically to make sure Grant students have real educational opportunities and they have done this at the expense of thousands of poor kids. Not by putting those schools down or doing anything mean or purposeful, but by supporting people on the school board and organizations which don&#8217;t have any interest in poor kids, just their political constituents and  supporters of which Grant is very capable of being. (Well, not really &#8220;no interest&#8221; just not enough interest to correct the problems and risk their political careers and constituencies by by doing so.)  And in that way those Grant school activists have harmed those schools and the city. So it is easy to see why people who have been fighting this problem for years might be a little cynical.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily,
Thank you for posting your letter publically.  It highlights the devastating effects these last-minute decisions coming from Superintendent Smith and the PPS Board are having on the schools and communities.  After two plus years of wasted planning, it all comes down to unplanned consequences like Marshall being slowly stripped of resources and its students getting an even less equitable education than it provided at the beginning of the process.  Four years of high school for these Marshall-area students will be weakened and stress-filled.

JD, ctg couldn&#039;t get high profile leaders to join because it was so blatantly fighting for its own agenda.  It died after the April board meeting because it was finally obvious even to ctg that Grant would remain safe and the boundaries of Laurelhurst and Hollywood would remain untouched.  After you pat yourself on the back for your fine example of civic engagement, enjoy your summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily,<br />
Thank you for posting your letter publically.  It highlights the devastating effects these last-minute decisions coming from Superintendent Smith and the PPS Board are having on the schools and communities.  After two plus years of wasted planning, it all comes down to unplanned consequences like Marshall being slowly stripped of resources and its students getting an even less equitable education than it provided at the beginning of the process.  Four years of high school for these Marshall-area students will be weakened and stress-filled.</p>
<p>JD, ctg couldn&#8217;t get high profile leaders to join because it was so blatantly fighting for its own agenda.  It died after the April board meeting because it was finally obvious even to ctg that Grant would remain safe and the boundaries of Laurelhurst and Hollywood would remain untouched.  After you pat yourself on the back for your fine example of civic engagement, enjoy your summer.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must step in here and defend Close the Gap, Not the Schools. We called, emailed, went to businesses, went to high profile leaders in the community, PTA, etc. to try to get people on board from the other schools--especially Jefferson--and we got virtually no response from anyone! I understand the distrust and reasons for being suspicious but the same people that have been mocking CTG and our motives all these months are now accusing us of benefiting from school closures, when we did all we could to prevent them--and not just Grant but all Portland&#039;s high schools! CTG lost momentum and has essentially died after the April board vote approving closure of high schools.  It&#039;s too little, too late folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must step in here and defend Close the Gap, Not the Schools. We called, emailed, went to businesses, went to high profile leaders in the community, PTA, etc. to try to get people on board from the other schools&#8211;especially Jefferson&#8211;and we got virtually no response from anyone! I understand the distrust and reasons for being suspicious but the same people that have been mocking CTG and our motives all these months are now accusing us of benefiting from school closures, when we did all we could to prevent them&#8211;and not just Grant but all Portland&#8217;s high schools! CTG lost momentum and has essentially died after the April board vote approving closure of high schools.  It&#8217;s too little, too late folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Buel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 05:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily, thank you so much for sharing the mess the district has made at Marshall. I am so sorry. As one of the main people in getting the equity movement started I am terribly disappointed in the way the district has messed it up. The whole idea was to make sure all kids, regardless of their parent&#039;s income or their neighborhood, have access to equal educational opportunities. After all this is a PUBLIC school system and at one point PPS actually valued the education of all children equally and the thought was that we could do that again. But evidently the middle and upper middle class neighborhood activists who control the school board, and have for years, are not willing to embrace the idea of a public system with equal educational opportunity for all. If students in all the poorer areas of town get equal chances then the supposed educational leaders are fearful the education in their schools will be weakened. So a little sacrifice is needed and since Marshall is the weakest politically, well........ And since Jeff has been so destroyed anyway, well.......

But don&#039;t give me focus schools and tell me it is equitable because it is not. If you want a school in the Marshall or Jeff area it should have EVERYTHING the other schools have. This is the only fair and equitable result. Anything short of this can not be the result and an equity movement. So, close Marshall, close Jeff, but what are you going to do, going to do, not promise to do because we all know how well promises get kept around the orange building, what are you going to do to make it equitable?? What are the trade-offs which the Marshall kids and the Jeff kids get for riding the bus farther, getting up earlier, having difficulty in doing athletics and activities, getting uprooted from their school and communtiy, being the outsiders at their new schools, having their friends end up elsewhere. What are they getting to keep it all EQUITABLE? What?????????????????? Haven&#039;t heard word one about that. All we know is  Lincoln, Cleveland, Wilson, and Grant (the close the gap not the schools people) once again get the cream, while the rest get the dregs. Same old story. And where are the community leaders to protest the way this has come about?? Where is Stand for Children, The Chalkboard Project people, the School Foundation people, the Mayor and his minions. Right where they have always been -- same old place --  supporting the most politically feasible and the most politically powerful. Same old place. And furthermore, I don&#039;t want to hear Trudy Sargent and Pamela Knowles, or even Martin Gonzalez spouting any more about EQUITY -- it is not your word, nor your province, and it sure isn&#039;t your board&#039;s process result. Just stand up and say, &quot;Well take this poor folks.&quot; We would all respect you more if you did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily, thank you so much for sharing the mess the district has made at Marshall. I am so sorry. As one of the main people in getting the equity movement started I am terribly disappointed in the way the district has messed it up. The whole idea was to make sure all kids, regardless of their parent&#8217;s income or their neighborhood, have access to equal educational opportunities. After all this is a PUBLIC school system and at one point PPS actually valued the education of all children equally and the thought was that we could do that again. But evidently the middle and upper middle class neighborhood activists who control the school board, and have for years, are not willing to embrace the idea of a public system with equal educational opportunity for all. If students in all the poorer areas of town get equal chances then the supposed educational leaders are fearful the education in their schools will be weakened. So a little sacrifice is needed and since Marshall is the weakest politically, well&#8230;&#8230;.. And since Jeff has been so destroyed anyway, well&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t give me focus schools and tell me it is equitable because it is not. If you want a school in the Marshall or Jeff area it should have EVERYTHING the other schools have. This is the only fair and equitable result. Anything short of this can not be the result and an equity movement. So, close Marshall, close Jeff, but what are you going to do, going to do, not promise to do because we all know how well promises get kept around the orange building, what are you going to do to make it equitable?? What are the trade-offs which the Marshall kids and the Jeff kids get for riding the bus farther, getting up earlier, having difficulty in doing athletics and activities, getting uprooted from their school and communtiy, being the outsiders at their new schools, having their friends end up elsewhere. What are they getting to keep it all EQUITABLE? What?????????????????? Haven&#8217;t heard word one about that. All we know is  Lincoln, Cleveland, Wilson, and Grant (the close the gap not the schools people) once again get the cream, while the rest get the dregs. Same old story. And where are the community leaders to protest the way this has come about?? Where is Stand for Children, The Chalkboard Project people, the School Foundation people, the Mayor and his minions. Right where they have always been &#8212; same old place &#8212;  supporting the most politically feasible and the most politically powerful. Same old place. And furthermore, I don&#8217;t want to hear Trudy Sargent and Pamela Knowles, or even Martin Gonzalez spouting any more about EQUITY &#8212; it is not your word, nor your province, and it sure isn&#8217;t your board&#8217;s process result. Just stand up and say, &#8220;Well take this poor folks.&#8221; We would all respect you more if you did.</p>
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